Showing posts with label 2008 crash. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 2008 crash. Show all posts

Thursday, July 15, 2010

Back to The Future: Wall Street 2010 VS 1931

I was thinking yesterday how the markets seem to be mirroring what happened after the October 1929 Wall Street Crash, that is, they crashed then recovered sharply, only to take further dips during the 1930s and actually falling more after the big 1929 fall.

I am not sure whether we are going to see another big fall in markets but there is little positive economic news on the horizon and huge State debt levels ready to make their impact somewhere down the line so there is clearly going to be more stockmarket downside in the coming year.

What I was thinking was someone must have charted any similarities between the DOW circa 1929 - to the early 1930s and the present day DOW and I am discovering as I find the charts whether my thinking has any merit, just as you are now.

A 5 year chart of the DOW from 1928, a year before the 1929 crash (1928 - 1933)




A 5 year chart of the DOW from 2005, 3 years before the 2008 crash (2005-2010)





Notice the big increase in stock prices from both eras after their respective crashes then also notice the further decline after that rally (the 2009 - 2010 stock recovery was much higher than the depression era) and the DOW has taken that dip over the last few months before another rise over the last week or so. Once again a similar pattern emerged circa DOW depression era.

I certainly don't know whether the DOW is going to repeat its 1930s pattern but as I have already pointed out economic conditions are not good and there is all that debt out there.

If you were a betting man you would have to put your money on a rerun.


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Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Will the speed of 2008 crash be met with a speedy recovery?

I was reading this article yesterday about Citibank, by Alice Schroeder, the author of the latest Warren Buffett biography, The Snowball: Warren Buffett and the Business of Life, and it got me thinking about the break neck speed in which the crash of the credit market led to a plunge in global stockmarkets, a collapse of the banking system in the US, Europe and other countries and then a massive banking rescue package-that didn't achieve its purpose, a global recession and then more recently a huge "stimulus" package pushed by Obama's democrats.

To be sure, you could see a "market correction" coming from a few years ago but the sheer pace of the economic structural collapse over the last 4 months or so has taken many peoples breath away and there will be more financial heartbreak to come.

The piece in Schroeder's article that really got my wheels turning was her retelling of a story about a man who wanted to withdraw $50,000.00 in cash from his local Citibank one Saturday morning, in November 2008. The fuss and flap that this caused the teller and the bank manager and then the queue of people in the bank paying closer attention as voices started getting raised because this chap was getting the run around.

“I want my fifty thousand dollars,” the man said to the teller. The subtlest nerve-twitch crossed her face, but she kept her gaze steady. "I'll have to call my manager," she said. Anyone who has seen "It’s a Wonderful Life" knows: That’s the wrong answer. “I want my money,” said the customer, in a voice audible throughout the lobby. “I don’t want your check!” Tiny gasps from the line. Somebody had said it aloud – Citi’s check might bounce...

It was a run on the bank!

On the Sunday the Treasury Department pulled a rescue plan out of the hat that stopped the run on banks when they opened Monday, that would have been reminiscent of the 1930s.

The world knew about the run the following day.

When we compare the 1929 crash to 2008, the speed of the 1929 one took longer to play out than the current one and it spread quicker around the globe because of global communications and media saturation.

The consequences of the collapse though will play out over years, and in that respect 1929 is no different to 2008.

This got me thinking even more.

If the speed of the collapse and reaction to it is so much quicker than previous financial calamities, then perhaps the recovery will come much quicker than the 20 or so years it took American to dig its way out of the 1929 crash?

To be sure, the stimulus of WW2 was the principle catalyst for America's 1950's recovery but governments around the world are busy getting their own stimulus packages together and while I don't have complete faith in Government its gotta have some positive stimulus, right?

A silver lining in every cloud and all that sort of baloney.

Don't get me wrong, I haven't turned into a Pollyanna-ish angel with blinkered eyes and my head up my lowest orifice. The recovery will be hard, it will take time and we are all going to have to save instead of spend for the next generation, and hopefully beyond, to get ourselves out of the bog.

The debt incurred for taxpayers worldwide via the massive corporate bailouts is going to be a rather big millstone.

The recovery of the global economy however maybe sooner than we think.

Fingers crossed.


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Sunday, October 12, 2008

Learning from history


I haven't been purposely looking for an explanation of what is happening to global stockmarkets and what might happen to economies around the world but I stumbled on the following article from the Wall Street Journal when I was googling around for some info on Warren Buffett.

For me the following article puts the whole market frenzy and it current fear mode into sharp focus and gives some perspective, from history, about where we could be heading.

Here is a n extract from the article discussing Benjamin Graham's analysis of the US stockmarket in 1932:

Just eight days before the Dow hit rock-bottom, the brilliant investor Benjamin Graham -- who many years later would become Warren Buffett's personal mentor -- published "Should Rich but Losing Corporations Be Liquidated?" It was the last of a series of three incendiary articles in Forbes magazine in which Graham documented in stark detail the fact that many of America's great corporations were now worth more dead than alive.

More than one out of every 12 companies on the New York Stock Exchange, Graham calculated, were selling for less than the value of the cash and marketable securities on their balance sheets. "Banks no longer lend directly to big corporations," he reported, but operating companies were still flush with cash -- many of them so flush that a wealthy investor could theoretically take over, empty out the cash registers and the bank accounts, and own the remaining business for free.

Graham summarized it this way: "...stocks always sell at unduly low prices after a boom collapses. As the president of the New York Stock Exchange testified, 'in times like these frightened people give the United States of ours away.' Or stated differently, it happens because those with enterprise haven't the money, and those with money haven't the enterprise, to buy stocks when they are cheap."

After the epic bashing that stocks have taken in the past few weeks, investors can be forgiven for wondering whether they fell asleep only to emerge in the waking nightmare of July 1932 all over again. The only question worth asking seems to be: How low can it go?

Make no mistake about it; the worst-case scenario could indeed take us back to 1932 territory. But the likelihood of that scenario is very much in doubt.

WSJ.com

The great Crash of 1929 was not the low for the Dow though, that came 3 years latter, when on July 9 1932 the index hit 41.63. It was down 91% from its level exactly 3 years earlier.

Out of the 1929 crash came Benjamin Graham and David Dodds Security Analysis, the handbook or bible for subsequent Wall Street practitioners. It is a shame that modern Wall Street types seem to have ignored the main message of this book though:

While we were writing,we had to combat a widespread conviction that financial debacle was to be the permanent order; as we publish,we already see resurgent the age-old frailty of the investor-that his money burns a hole in his pocket. But it is the conservative investor who will need most of all to be reminded constantly of the lessons of 1931-1933 and of previous collapses.

Security Analysis - From the preface to the 1934 edition

Graham went on to say that "fixed value investments" can only soundly chosen if they are approached form a viewpoint of "calamity".

The last part of Benjamin Grahams advice is perhaps the most poignant and relevant to today's situation:

In dealing with other types of security commitments, we have striven throughout to guard the student against overemphasis upon the superficial and the temporary...this overemphasis is at once the delusion and the nemesis of the world of finance.

Quaint English but nevertheless well worth remembering.

I will finish this piece with something that I was watching on Voice of America last night.

It was from an individual which I cant remember but a female who has studied the 1929 crash and the subsequent depression.

She said that the crash itself needn't have caused a depression but the reaction of President Herbert Hoovers administration did. At first the government did nothing and then when it realised things might be bad it did all the wrong things.

It will be interesting if the current Bush administration has learnt from history and whether the next President, probably Barack Obama, will copy Democrat President Roosevelt's blanket socialism of the 1930s and spend taxpayers money to stimulate future prosperity.

Given this it would be curious to know why the current Labour Government in New Zealand are doing nothing in the face of massive economic uncertainty.


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